Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:55:58 +0100 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.5a http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13676#Comment_13676 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13676#Comment_13676 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:12:24 +0100 sleepy
further to that there have been some people who have come on here as courier n00bs (muppets IRL ) who upon meeting in the flesh i have realised are genuinely lovely people- not that i could fault their web etiquette but a five minute meeting in the real world counts for than a million words on any forum, eg: maurycy absolute nothing to meet, troll on the boards, wouldn't dare say shit or own his words to someone facing him but behind a keyboard with a forum in front of him can troll the fuck out of this place. which brings me onto my next point:

MT is incredibly susceptible to trolls: we have a passionate community that genuinely care about their own (is this not where this site sprung from?) but who are also not online alot and are not familiar with the way that trolls work- how they exploit the things people care about to get a rise, the similar arguments they fall back on "do i not have a right to air my opinions?" "is it wrong that i think differently to you?" etc.

i would like to see some kind of guidelines to posting here, particularly in respect of dead couriers put on a page that you must say you have read before you post here. i understand that moderation is difficult and not always desirable but some shit that has been said on here recently i think deserves an outright IP ban... an ignore function would be nice but i'm no longer hung up on a proper private message system as i've discovered a way to abuse the whisper function (someone is in no doubt as to just how long longcat is and i will do this after every post of theirs i see here, i would appreciate it if admin kept the trolls from the html).

i fucking love this site, it is different from other sites i'm on in that the community came first, the site second. this means that bill is providing this for far less credit than would be gotten were it the other way round.

ps. i'm not trying to make this site an exclusive club, just to exclude the elements that are offensive and at times upsetting to our regulars.

pps. cheers bill for keeping up with this shit.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13686#Comment_13686 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13686#Comment_13686 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:04:28 +0100 Buffalo Bill
It's your forum, guys, in the end. I am really reluctant to ban anyone, but...]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13688#Comment_13688 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13688#Comment_13688 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:34:52 +0100 Sad Brummie Bastard http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13689#Comment_13689 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13689#Comment_13689 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:54:57 +0100 overdrive Ride safe.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13690#Comment_13690 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13690#Comment_13690 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:19:55 +0100 maurycy
Good luck to you all, I'm not the person who takes everything personal!



Ps. "Take back _our_ site..." - forget about it's me saying that, but spare a thought how many problems would be solved if we erased the word MY from our dictionary?]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13692#Comment_13692 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13692#Comment_13692 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:31:42 +0100 Dazzlenger http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13693#Comment_13693 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13693#Comment_13693 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:42:32 +0100 sleepy
what is movingtargetzine to you? why do you come here?

though i was a bit pissed i stand by the sentiment in the original post in the sober light of day.

and big ups to targetbot ]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13694#Comment_13694 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13694#Comment_13694 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:47:45 +0100 Dazzlenger
Personally I wouldn't want MT to be moderated, however annoying it can be when someone gets all slack-jaw and confused. Fair to say they get a meaty mouthful in return which is about right. I much prefer 'open forum'.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13696#Comment_13696 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13696#Comment_13696 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:33:15 +0100 sleepy mildly pissed off that i lost the pub quiz though.

i'm getting very irritated by thread deraillments on some fairly serious threads. if you have an ax to grind start a new thread that we can easily ignore and see sink rather than inflicting bullshit posts on unrelated threads that area often about serious shit.

see maurycy in action on the monkey thread demanding the right to defend his non-existent family, saying we shouldn't mourn dead couriers (especially suicides 'cos y'know they could be murderers or rapists- seriously what if a family member read that?) because he doesn't have an issue with death and on this thread with more bullshit.

we have low poster numbers as it is and i feel that some people actively set out to take away from what is a relatively small forum as it is.

oh and answer the fucking question:

what is movingtargetzine to you? why do you come here?]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13697#Comment_13697 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13697#Comment_13697 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:38:36 +0100 overdrive http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13699#Comment_13699 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13699#Comment_13699 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:05:15 +0100 maurycy
I was against the convention to ...

fuck it, it's wasting my fingers, you prefer to take my words out of context, be it your way.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13701#Comment_13701 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13701#Comment_13701 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:39:44 +0100 nomoreknees
It's the only website I look at with any regularity (I have quite a dislike for internet forums in general).
It strikes me that unlike most internet forums there isn't one theme running through what is posted here.This may sound strange considering it's a site based on a fairly niche activity, but I think sleepy puts it very well by saying the community came first. The site doesn't need to pander to anything in particular.

I come here because, try as I might, a job I stopped doing 5 years ago still has a deep meaning to me and I'm interested in those that pursue a similar path namely because they are all so different to each other.


maurycys comment (out of context) "of course it could be me who had a wrong impression of the courier's character" shows that there is a cliched idea of what makes a cycle messenger, when in fact there are as many different types of character earning a living riding a bike as there are people earning a living by riding a bike.

Certainly something borne out by this forum.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13705#Comment_13705 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13705#Comment_13705 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:40:13 +0100 Barry Krishna http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13711#Comment_13711 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13711#Comment_13711 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:23:13 +0100 Dazzlenger
I remember very clearly last year my complete and utter dismay at reading Cunt Basie's comments on couriers and cyclists who had died using THE MOST disrespectful language and arguing sick points of view that are completely and totally at odds with the vast majority of other people on here. There is something seriously not right with this, I find it abhorrent. Sadly Maurycy sounds just like misguided, confused Son of Basie to me and I look forward to his meeting with Overdrive. And you're completely correct Sleepy when you say you worry about if whether a friend or relative of someone who's died should come on here and read something so starkly ugly as what your pointing out because as you and others quite righly say here, it just does not represent the view, feeling or experience of the courier community as I see it.

Yes everyone's entitled to an opinion, we learned that in school. But as Bill has said elsewhere, the idea of coming onto an open forum with a pseudonym simply to use it as an excuse to ply shitty, abhorrent, devils advocate tripe is pretty fucking stupid.

I've been thinking about the question why do I come here? but it feels a bit like 'explaining the joke' to me - it becomes unfunny. Anyway, it's in my favourites and as an example I think I remember logging on when I was in India a couple of years ago just to keep in touch with what's what and what's happening (lest I miss something!). Anyway, I've got the fucking t-shirt mate.

Keep it realenger.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13713#Comment_13713 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13713#Comment_13713 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:33:49 +0100 NhattattacK http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13716#Comment_13716 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13716#Comment_13716 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:33:28 +0100 akeley Zillions of useful tips for either n00b or a commuter that probably saved me a few quid and some grief too.
Being informed about some grand events, through which i`ve met some of the MTers & real engers
in flesh, and predictably ;) you`re an amazing bunch. (also, a tip from a regular combined with snow, got me a new job- that cider`s still on the borg Em :)

So there`s some reasons for you sleepy, and please folks excuse any incoherence/pomposity as I can match that drunkedness with my stonedness as I write this...
It`s an only net forum forum I ever posted regulaly on, and I`ve been around, uh, since that doggone web started. Everything else always succumbs to trolls or gets flooded with crap...or is simply boring. It`s a privilege to be a part of a real and vibrant web/IRL community and be allowed to occasionaly spam it`s fortress with some pointless comments ;)
That always seemed a strong point of MT to me, a self-moderation of sorts. And Bill`s style of not banhammering around. But this recent BasMauyrycy thing seems surrealy out of line though, I can`t fathom it -even if you`re insane enough to make comments like these, there is a point when you have to shut up for godssakes... I`d be rather surprised if I ever seen any more comments from this unDynamic Duo.

(omg, a novel, must...edit..to 1 line...aaargh;)]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13733#Comment_13733 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13733#Comment_13733 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:32:05 +0100 spinderella I might never meet any of you face to face so i'll just say thanks to all involved. I know im not the only out of towner and its cool MT has this diversity.
Also i think its tragic that some people have to come on here and talk shit to get a bit of attention
a life of hate is a wasted life in my opinion]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13740#Comment_13740 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13740#Comment_13740 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:43:33 +0100 Pete
Sleepy asked me if I was a troll in one thread after I made a joke that obviously fell on stony ground. It wasn't offensive, though.

There should always be room for a bit of legpulling, amd most normal humans have a reasonable taste radar which, as far as I can see, has kept the forum mostly in line.

There is a huge majority of good people on here - this thread is a great example of self-policing.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13758#Comment_13758 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13758#Comment_13758 Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:41:20 +0100 j001 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13818#Comment_13818 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13818#Comment_13818 Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:01:35 +0100 j.dot
as far as the silly troll going around starting drama...well...i say just let it ride. that cat ain't worth it. most of us in the courier world know that an injury to one is an injury to all...peace.]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13840#Comment_13840 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13840#Comment_13840 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:17:31 +0100 Papa44
did i just say that out loud?]> http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13845#Comment_13845 http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/1438/?Focus=13845#Comment_13845 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:10:50 +0100 Zack Speedfast